1. Yeah i agree auteurs stink. Curtiz not an auteur because he part of the like system. Forman not an auteur because he films are so different. No auteurs just guys making films.
2. casablanca’s use of the studio system proves that a director as an auteur is faulty because it is a collaborative form throughout the system, compared to one flew over the cuckoos nest being idk i give up i lowk cant remember film form
3. Both reflect the style of narrative typical at the time. Casablanca - narrative driven ( opening scene - conflict of the war ). ofotcn - character driven ( group therapy - learn about character dynamics )
4. in casablanca the script was written by multiple collaborators such as the epstein brothers, curtiz was the director but his creative control only extended to directing it is wrong to assume he is n auteur as he focuses on one part of the film making process of classical hollywood. conversely in ofotcn foreman although a big influence on the film, the producers pul santz and michael douglas had a big impact .
5. Casablanca had multiple writers under the studio system, which prioritized efficiency—the Epstein brothers handled the first half, while Howard Koch wrote the ending, something reflected in the film’s structure.
In One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, producers Michael Douglas and Saul Zaentz maintained tight control over production, limiting Miloš Forman’s creative freedom. Their influence is evident in choices like shooting the group therapy scene in a real mental hospital—something that required
6. Arthur Edison is cinematographer so he controls what’s seen to a degree
7. I can’t really be bothered so just pretend like I said the same thing as Zak again. Cheers 👍
8. Whilst Curtiz plays an important role as the director of Casablanca, many other people are central to the film being made. For example, the Epstein brothers wrote the first half of the script.
9. Casablanca- had multiple people working on the film as the studio system priorities efficiency (Epstein brothers wrote the first half, Howard Koch wrote the ending) which is reflected in the ending of the film.
OFOTCN- Michael Douglas and Saul Zants control the production limiting the creative control of Milos Forman, as the producers get the final say in what goes ahead, which can be seen in the group therapy scene where they shoot at a mental hospital, a decision the producer would greenlight
10. This is true for both of these films. Curtiz was curtailed by the studio system that employed other creatives that had a significant impact on the feel of the film (the war sections - the opening/la marseilles were written by the epstein brothers where the romantic scenes were written by casey Robinson - flashback to Paris --- Rick's characterisation is very different in both. In OFOTCN, actors had more control over the creative vision - Louise Fletcher changing Nurse Ratched...
11. Casablanca and OFOTCN are both very star driven films. You could argue that Bogart was an auteur himslelf, taking on similar sorts roles. Similar to Jack Nicholson. The film’s would not be what they are without the lead actors’personal touch on the film
12. ...from originally the embodiment of evil in Forman's original vision to a more complex, humanises character
13. Both Casablanca and OFOTCN are films that are typical of their respective film movements, but that doesn't mean their directors could be considered auteurs. Casablanca, like virtually all Classical Hollywood films, is very narrative driven and was filmed on large studio sets. OFOTCN on the other hand is far more character-driven, and was entirely filmed on location at a real mental hospital in Portland, OR, and this location shooting method was typical of the New Hollywood film movement
14. Yes
Although Curtiz does use German expressionist lighting which makes Rick's office scene more distinct in style, this alone isn't enough to make his contribution more important than the collaboration. Ultimately, Casablanca's style is a product of the studio system- ending as an example of epstein brothers yada yada yada.
Similarly, although OFOTCN is rather distinct, Forman's influence in terms of having method acting, ect can also be accredited to the style of New Hollywood. Auteur = mislead
15. Institutional auteur, Casablanca, political themes as seen in the ending where Renault throws the Vichy bottle and discards his loyalty
16. d
17. Casablanca - Studio System, Curtiz just a “cog in the machine”. Collaboration seen in opening credits where production control is put in order, with Jack Warner at the start over fanfare (prestigious production by prestigious company).
OFOTCN - Degree of auteur can be questioned in OG book. Themes of anti-establishment often attributed to Forman as an auteur, but they are present in the Kesey’s novel too. Can be seen in the central conflict of Ratched and McMurphy (in the novel too).
18. Casablanca - Curtiz used a lot of shadows (rick talking to renault in his office) in a lot of his films but reflective of the time. shoots ilsa how everyone shoots Hollywood actresses at the time (soft lite, CUs, Vaseline on the lens). Arguable that producer/studio head have more influence, star power of the leads, the carousel of script writers all contribute cuz that’s classical hollywood
Ofotcn - Forman brought in special, Michael douglases baby. Group therapy, performance is key.
19. OFOTCN had multiple people involved in creating it- Michael Douglas as producer, Milos Foreman as director, etc. So Foreman wasn’t the sole contributor to the creation of the film
20. need editors, actors, set designers etc. one person cant do everything
21. Casablanca is very star driven and both film rely on star power.
22. Neither films have the tells of an auteur this is due to a variety of people working in each film. For example in casablanca it was a part of the studio system so had a lot of people working on it at all times as it was prioritised. In One Flew Over we see how collaborative efforts helped makes the film
23. While Michael Curtiz has visual stylings that occur throughout his films, such as chiaroscuro, used heavily in the office sequence in Casablanca, however this is a feature found in many Classical Hollywood films. Milos Foreman's films focus on realism and anti-establishment themings, demonstrated through the first therapy sequence of OFOTCN, with the three camera setup and McMurphy's rebellious performance, these are more representative of New Hollywood as a movement.
24. Yes, had scriptwriters for Casablancauntil theend of the film being made
25. Casablanca- had multiple people working on the film as the studio system priorities efficiency (Epstein brothers wrote the first half, Howard Koch wrote the ending) which is reflected in the ending of the film.
OFOTCN- Michael Douglas and Saul Zants control the production limiting the creative control of Milos Forman, as the producers get the final say in what goes ahead, which can be seen in the group therapy scene where they shoot at a mental hospital, a decision the producer would greenligh
26. Epstein brothers wrote Casablanca and Bo Goldman(writer) had interpreted the book by Ken Kesey. They have control of the narrative.